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Solo Mother

A single mother of five’s story

by christina on November 9th, 2006

I’ve only ‘known’ Rose for a short while, but already I count myself lucky to have met her. Her courage, determination, and all out guts have taken my breath away at times… and the sweetness, passion and hope of her music brings a little bit more joy and happiness into my own home every time I play her CD, Close Your Eyes. Her new CD is due out in January, and I can’t wait to hear how the changes in her life have changed her music. Her voice is like an alto Judie Tzuke, her spirit like a warrior princess. Please take the time to read her story.

You had a difficult marriage, one that included abuse; and yet your family counselled you to ‘forgive’ and stay married. Do you have any advice for women who find themselves in your situation? I suppose the biggest question is, how on earth did you ever find the courage to leave?

Because of the way I was raised, and my family’s particular religious bent, I believed for many years that it would be wrong for me to leave. I was told, many, many times that it was MY fault that my marriage was so miserable. I was told that the way to please God was to just say “Yes, sir” to my husband, and although that didn’t seem right to me (not to mention that it didn’t work, at all!) I kept trying, wanting to “do right”. What actually, finally, convinced me that I needed to leave was that I realised that my husband really thought that what he was doing was RIGHT. He believed that it was necessary for him to control me, shout at me and et cetera, in order for me to be kept in line. It wasn’t just that he was angry (although he was, most of the time)… even when he was calm, he was still convinced that I needed to be treated like a child.

I knew that that was wrong, and I could see my children beginning to be affected by his views. I knew that as a parent, there was not a single other person in the WORLD who could act the way he did, and treat me the way he did, and still be allowed to be around my children. I realised that I was actually being a bad parent to continue to live with someone like that.

Advice for women in my situation? I would say, try to find some people that you REALLY trust, that you can tell things to. Not a man. It is incredibly easy to lean on a man who feels all knight-in-shining-armor-ish about you, but I promise that that will, ninety-nine times out of a hundred, only complicate things for you, one way or another. When you are being abused, you can become so confused about what is really right or wrong…you are told all the time that you are stupid, or a mental case, or a baby, or too sensitive (or, as in my case, all of the above!) and so you REALLY need someone to bounce things off of, that can encourage you. I do NOT mean, someone who can tell you what to do!

If you have a friend that tells you VERY STERNLY to GET OUT, or anything else, they are not really helping. An abused woman desperately needs to BELIEVE in herself, in her judgement, in her ability to make good decisions, and a true friend who understands will encourage you that YOU will know when the right time to leave is. They can also, possibly, give you more material help, like keeping important papers safe for you, lending you money, possibly, or just letting you rant and rave and cry when you need to.

Tell us about the days surrounding your actual departure. I can only imagine what that must have been like.

I had actually left once before, and that time, I did everything wrong. I went to my parents, who lived a state and a half away, and they would not take me in, insisting that I should just “go on back home”, and that they would be “ashamed” to let any of their friends know I had left my husband. Also, I didn’t have any money of my own, or my own credit card or bank account, so I only had our family’s credit card. My husband reported our credit card stolen, so I got stuck at a gas station, having filled my (large, old) van with gas, with the manager taking my credit card away and looking askance at me. I was so stunned that he would do that…I mean, I had all HIS children with me! and did he not care at all, that they would have nothing, and might end up stranded at some gas station? That gave me a big dose of harsh reality, also.

So, after I was persuaded to go back, and the first couple months of wondering how things would go had proved to me that they were going to go from bad to worse, I began to plan. I found ways to make money, and only told him about half of it. That is, if I made two hundred dollars, I told him I’d made a hundred. Then, if (when) he tried to “convince” me to give him my money, or simply assimilated it, I’d still have some. I opened a secret bank account, and had to also open a private post office box, so that I could receive statements without him knowing. I also, little by little, began to take documents from our “important papers” box and hide them in my briefcase. The children’s birth certificates. Mine. My marriage license. All our vehicle information (for the van - we had three vehicles). I carried those around with me at all times, not knowing if I would have to leave in a hurry. Those were really terrible days. Having grown up thinking that it was a big sin to tell a lie (clearly, I STILL think that lying is wrong, in most circumstances! but desperate times…) it was frightening and stressful for me to be hiding the money, hiding the post office box key, and et cetera.

I also opened a secret e-mail account, through which I was communicating with a girl friend in another state and telling her my plans. I was afraid to tell a single person in my town, or any one of my family members, because my husband was incredibly persuasive, and had convinced my father and several people from our church that I was “emotionally unstable” and could not be trusted not to lie like a Persian. (That’s rug, not cat. Perhaps Persian cats lie, too…I don’t know. I wouldn’t put it past them.) But I felt I needed to tell SOMEONE, so that SOMEONE would know the real story, if “something happened” to me.

My final weekend with him was terrible. He thought he had found out some bad thing that I’d done, and was trying to “get the truth out of me”. There was a terrible… well, not really a fight, because I wasn’t fighting back, but… row, lasting two nights… he would let me fall asleep, and then waken me after about an hour by suddenly shaking me and shouting a question at me over and over. (If you think this sounds like a Gestapo tactic, you are absolutely right.) I had a migraine, and would have to go throw up…then stumble back to bed, only to be shaken awake again. And there was more, and….worse.

Then, he told me on Sunday that he would be in another town on Monday, for his job. He would never tell me these things in advance, because he didn’t like me to make plans. But I knew that was my shot. I knew I might only have one. I played the piano at church that day, I remember. I looked around at all the faces of my friends, and could hardly keep from crying, knowing I would not see them again anytime soon, if at all, and that I could not say goodbye.

I gave him about an hour to get all the way gone, Monday morning, and then told each child to get their special blanket, their favorite stuffed animal, their toothbrush and one clean set of clothes. We each made a hobo bundle, tying our blanket around the only things we would take from our old life to our new one. Then, I had to go to the bank and get the money out, take back the library books, and various other loose-end type of errands. I was so scared that my stomach was aching and cramping and my hands shaking and cold…every place I went, I was looking over my shoulder for his truck, or waiting for someone to stop me or question me.

I had got the number to a women’s shelter here in [place name removed], and we drove all day long to get here. I had told the children we were going to go on an adventure, and I did my best to keep them happy and at peace, although I was more scared than I have ever been before in my whole life. I’ll never forget - when we got into the shelter that night, I had to fill out this three-page questionaire, which asked me to check every single abusive thing he had ever done to me, since I’d been with him.

Three pages of things….and there were only THREE that I did NOT check. I sat there, stunned, thinking “I really WAS abused.” You may think, “well, DUH!” but truly, I went back and forth all the time on that very fact. But….three things! out of three pages! I guess I really needed to see that. Probably, that’s at least half the reason they made me do it.

A little over half a year after you changed your life and the life of your children (for the better, for the better), how are you doing? What is better than you expected it to be? What is harder than you had imagined?

Immediately, in the shelter, my health improved. I had been sick so much, for so long…in the months before I’d left, I had lost about twenty pounds (I was slim to begin with) and had severe migraines about twice a week. I also had intense stomach pain most of the time. The FIRST DAY in the shelter, I woke up without pain. I remember, the children kept saying “Wow, Mama’s running!” or “Mama, you’re playing with us a lot!” The most obvious things that have changed are A. We have peace, for the most part, in our house, and B. We are poorer than freekin’ church mice.

I have been thrilled, over and over and over, to discover how smart I am. I was told my WHOLE LIFE that I was dumb, that I was helpless, that I would never survive without him, that I couldn’t fight my way out of a wet paper bag. To see myself accomplishing things was incredibly exciting and strengthening to me. I can’t even express how much.

Also, I have seen my children really step up to the plate and help me with certain things. Whether it’s moving bunk beds up the stairs or just figuring out how to make a little more money, we are in it together, and that makes all of us proud.

I think the hardest thing is to feel that I bear so much responsibility alone. I have three jobs, and one of them is writing, which I usually end up doing in the middle of the night, so I am tired most of the time, and then I arrive home from work in the evening, pick up the children from their afternoon daycare, and have to face whatever mess we left in the morning and the ever-present question: What to make for dinner from ancient Food Bank Pasta Surprise and canned vegetables? I was always the mom that read aloud, played games, made fun projects, made bread from scratch….and now, I am leaving my children in a smelly daycare. I never, never, never thought I would do that, and it is HARD. Every single day, it’s hard.

Sometimes, I wake up and think “Nope. Can’t do it. I don’t want to be the Mommy today.”

But truly, honestly, I have never EVER felt a desire to go back.

Here, when I mess up, I can say I’m sorry, and it’s over. I am not punished for my mistakes on and on for weeks. Also, I can relax in my home. If I want to eat dinner in my pajamas, or listen to Rachmaninoff very loudly while taking a bath, I can. It’s my house. No one shouts at me if dinner is late, or if the children make a gigantic fort in the living room out of couch cushions. It’s really a Home

You’ve had some runarounds with the local government in your quest for aid for you and your family. Is there anything you’ve learned from your struggles that might make things easier for the next woman in line?

Yes….you cannot count on anyone to truly be on your side unless they have proven it to you. Government agencies that are in place (ostensibly) to assist you are overrun with pseudo-victims that make them take a very calloused, jaded view of you. That is not your fault, but you must brace yourself; it is entirely possible that they will act skeptical that you need help, look down on you, and even deny your application several times out of sheer malice (at least, that’s what I call it). You have to keep telling yourself “My children deserve help from this damned operation, and I will by golly get it for them.” because it can be very discouraging. My advice? If you need to feel crushed and overwhelmed and go weeping to bed, DO IT! and then, after a few hours (or days, depending on how bad whatever it was WAS), get up and GO TRY AGAIN.

Remember, if at first you don’t succeed….skydiving is not for you.

Rose Robbin's kidsHow are the kids? Are they adjusting to this new life? Are they angry, happy, sad, all of the above? What special rituals have you woven into your new lives to keep you happy and connected?

They have adjusted pretty well. The day we had the Big Talk, and I told them we were not going back, we all cried. That was a bad day. But then, we had some fun here. We found a huge library. We played in a few parks. We went to a couple churches, and found some Kids. And they could see that I was different. I didn’t cry so much. I didn’t have headaches so much. I laughed a lot more.

This is a tough one, because being a Single Mother is so difficult! I have to do the work of about three people, just to keep us alive. This renders me stressed out and exhausted, often. But what I keep telling myself is, what kids really need to see is that I LOVE THEM, and that we are in this together. When I snap at them, or yell in frustration because all I DID was go take a SHOWER and how was that even enough TIME for them to TRASH THE ENTIRE DOWNSTAIRS???? I always, ALWAYS talk to them about it, and apologize, if I yelled or got mad. I say “I am doing the best I can for our family, but sometimes, I feel like you guys aren’t helping me. I need to be able to count on you, just like you count on me, because we’re a family. That’s what families do.”

Our fun times usually consist of me lying on the couch with various kids on top of me while we watch Rocky and Bullwinkle or Inspector Gadget (a very kind friend gave us a DVD player and a box of old shows), or of me lying on a blanket in the park while they run around. Time together doesn’t have to cost money, or take any energy. Which is a damn’ good thing.

I believe everyone should have something they do that is deeply satisfying to their souls. Is music that one thing for you? Has your separation affected your work on the new CD? For better? For worse? Has your work, and your perspective as a singer/songwriter/musician, changed since you found your freedom?

Music IS that one thing for me…although writing is very satisfying too, music is a deeper, almost spiritual experience for me. My husband always hated the thought of me pursuing music at all….he SAID he liked my music when we were dating, but the second we were married, he said “Aren’t girls supposed to sing high?” and wouldn’t listen when I wrote a new song…I didn’t even TRY to sing in public until I was in my late twenties, and then, when I realized that I was really a singer/songwriter, not just a songwriter, he wouldn’t allow me to have gigs, saying it was “inappropriate” for me to be performing. So, to be free from that is absolutely incredible. Since I have moved here, I have got gigs in the very most reputable venues in my town just by walking in and handing them my demo. I have finished work on my CD, and it is now in production, and I have been chosen to participate in a female artist showcase in New York City in 2007. Also, I find a new depth, both in my songwriting and in my performance. The emotion is so rich, so raw that it makes my previous recording work seem almost juvenile to me. ( I don’t know that it actually is, but I have grown incredibly, musically, since I left.) To look out, at an audience, and see people wiping tears, or hear that little moment of stunned silence after a song is ended that means people are trying to come back from wherever I took them….there is hardly anything in the world more moving and wonderful than that.

I know that life as an even semi-successful musician can be a very difficult one, but I also know that:

A. If I work at home writing music and performing, a couple of times weekly, at night, I could take my children out of that wretched daycare forever! and

B. NO life could be more difficult, emotionally or mentally, than the life I left. Back there, I was never sure that I was good enough - I had little to offer because I had no confidence. I know that my children can survive just about anything if I am consistently loving and listening to them. If I am singing/writing/performing, I am stable, and can face just about anything, too - because it is when I sing that I know, one hundred percent, who I am, and what I am here for.

POSTED IN: abuse, divorce, emotional pain, interview, leaving

47 opinions for A single mother of five’s story

  • Kate
    Nov 10, 2006 at 5:18 am

    Every day heroics.

  • Hsien Lei
    Nov 10, 2006 at 8:23 pm

    Incredible strength and resilience! Way to go, Rose.

  • karen
    Nov 13, 2006 at 1:53 pm

    Great interview. It’s often hard to see the abuse because you’re living in it. The abuser has you convinced that it’s all YOUR fault and that you’re worthless. I was in an abusive relationship with a guy while I was in high school. It was never as bad as Rose’s, but it could have been if we married. That’s something I definitely thank God for.

    I’m thankful that Rose had the courage to do what was right for her kids. May God give her supernatural strength to endure it all and to provide for her children. One day her children have children, they will truly realize the sacrifices she made for them.

    I am curious though . . . Has the ex-husband tried to see the kids or cause a problem since she left?

  • christina
    Nov 13, 2006 at 1:58 pm

    Karen, yes, they have been working out visitation and the like. I hope she can give her children the strength to reject anything negative that comes their way in this association (he doesn’t abuse the kids, as far as I know). Yes, Rose’s family tries still to get her to go back. The valiant lady has a tough road ahead of her, but I know she’s going to shine.

  • christina
    Nov 13, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    Hsien, I can’t believe she did it. I’m in awe of her. And her singing voice…

    LOL I’m a fan.

  • christina
    Nov 13, 2006 at 2:07 pm

    Kate, never a truer word…

    I think if anyone looked at our lives, from the outside, they would be amazed at what women and men do on a daily basis… I think we’re most of us everyday heroes, doing our best.

  • Anonymus
    Nov 18, 2006 at 3:41 am

    Interesting story, dramatized well, While rose might have “felt” this way. Most of whatI read is not told accuratley, I do know this couple and have spent years living close by and being in the household. Rose is a Great Singer and Songwriter and I guess with that comes Dramatization. Rose is known well for her drama by those who DO know her.
    To the readers of this interview, I tell you that there is always two sides to every story and to hear it from one side-like this– and to have your heart melt for her is a shame! That is what she is looking for.
    Sorry, but to see this story in the one light like this— I just needed to pipe in on what I know about this couple. I love both of them dearly and it is heart breaking to see them separated.

  • christina
    Nov 18, 2006 at 11:45 am

    Hi, Anonymous. It’s a shame you felt the need to post this anonymously. I know her husband has posted his side of the story all over the Net, too. I’m not in the middle of this, and I have no opinion of her husband, good or bad. This blog is about single mothers, and Rose’s ’story’ is her truth.

  • Karen
    Nov 18, 2006 at 1:48 pm

    Anonymous: Whether or not all of it is true, I don’t think you can deny that Rose was abused. And abuse is not ok.

  • red
    Nov 18, 2006 at 2:38 pm

    I too know this couple and what is not being told is that she is abusive. She is also neglectful to her children, home and husband. She only tells what she wants you to know. Her husband may not be perfect but I know from experiece neither is she. She does things that would shock all of you. But that is her business.

    What makes me ill is that you allow this stuff to be put into print without verifing whether it is true. Anyone can lie. It is your job to make sure what you are putting out is the whole truth.

  • christina
    Nov 18, 2006 at 3:26 pm

    Red, I did not submit this as a journalistic piece. I did not present this as anything other than another person’s story. Unfortunately, this is what divorce does. It takes each truth and asks people to take sides. which is a shame. Each person’s pain is his or her truth. You don’t have to agree with the story, but you do have to respect the pain beneath it.

  • christina
    Nov 18, 2006 at 3:36 pm

    Karen, I have never met a person who says they have been abused who has a wonderful, supportive, loving, kind, yadda yadda yadda person behind them. And one person’s reality, normalcy, is another person’s abuse. Neglect is a form of abuse, as harmful as being beaten. But someone else might think me insane if I said I was abused because I received no physical affection… you know?

  • StealthBadger
    Nov 18, 2006 at 3:44 pm

    In the last relationship I was in, we managed to abuse each other just by amplifying what we did naturally - her, with talking and withholding of touch (I hated being interrupted because it makes me feel like my opinion was worthless, I tend to speak fairly slowly when I’m thinking, and I have a hunger for sensual touch that just won’t quit) and me with silence and control of sex (a lack of response verbally makes her feel cut completely adrift, and her sex drive was MUCH higher than mine).

    We were both abusive, and weren’t getting what we both desperately needed. Either of us could spin stories about abuse which were perfectly legitimate as far as what factual content they contained - but neither of us (and no-one else in the world, for that matter) could even begin to describe what actually happened.

    This makes it no less important for each one of us who gets out of a bad relationship to be able to tell our stories, explain, learn, and grow from what happened, and hopefully avoid repeating our mistakes. It also serves no purpose to belittle one person’s recollection. As their viewpoint changes over time (because of growing older and gaining understanding, or moving further from the position they were in at the time), their story will change. This doesn’t make it any less valid and necessary either.

    Oh, and as far as Christina’s journalistic integrity… where exactly did that question come from (besides probably from a non-journalist, since most journalists recognize the very different standards governing a news piece and a blog post)?? Christina said “[p]lease take the time to read [Rose's] story,” and then Christina posted her questions and Rose’s answers. Where exactly is the problem?

    Were this a news piece, yes, there would be a need for some examination of “balance” (if only to avoid legal indemnity). On a blog by a single mother about the experience of being a single mother… the interview with the single mother is the piece.

  • christina
    Nov 18, 2006 at 6:37 pm

    Nice to hear from the hairy sex. Badger, thank you for sharing this. I know that my reality will shift and change, as distance, time, and better experiences with kinder people reshape the reality and the remembering of my failed marriage.

    I’m no James Frey.

    This is Rose’s story.

  • StealthBadger
    Nov 18, 2006 at 8:33 pm

    Sorry for stomping around and being all outraged. And thank you for the links!

  • red
    Nov 19, 2006 at 5:14 pm

    Bager,
    I agree that there are two sides to any story. I would be crazy it I didn’t accept that. But when someone outright lies about the facts that is when I feel it is wrong.

    No one says, they both weren’t wrong. But you never see any where in the interviews that she admits to any on her part. That is what I am talking about.

    I don’t think any person should accept abuse of any kind.

    As for Christina, if she is going to interview someone why not ask question that would get the truth out. Not just half truth. It isn’t fair to even Rose.

    In Rose’s interview she says real friends would be willing to help financially or with things. She also said that they would let you rant and rave. I agree with that. A real friend would also tell you when you are wrong without a fear of being left as a friend. A true friend is someone who cares even if you are wrong, they never give up on you.

  • StealthBadger
    Nov 19, 2006 at 6:28 pm

    Assuming for the sake of argument that there is some truth to what you say, would the place for Christina to conduct that kind of intervention be in public, on her weblog, when she’s known Rose “for a short while?” And if there is more to the situation than you know, is calling for justice in the public square necessarily the best thing to do? For EITHER Rose or her ex-husband?

    I can guarantee you it is not.

    It takes a lot of time to sort through something as intense and ugly as a bad relationship. As it is in the painful time itself, you’re going to say things that you don’t mean in a rational sense… but you’re also going know things that you just do not have the physical ability to express yet. This is not about being in a court of law, even potentially - the name of the husband is never mentioned, and the husband is not accused of anything illegal.

    *mutters about the depressing difference between moral and lawful*

    Still, you’re missing something so vital I almost wonder if you’re a guy: It’s not about him. Period.

    Christina’s primary purpose, I’m betting (and please let me know if I’m wrong) was not to create a biographical sketch of Rose, as interesting and wonderful as she finds her to be. It was to speak to several people:

    For the mother who is stuck in a bad situation and feels that there is no other life than the one she leads, it says “you can live your own life.”

    For the one who has just felt the humiliation of her life being laid bare in front of a Social Services worker, it says “you can survive this. It won’t be easy, but you can - and exhaustion is better than suffering.”

    For the one who is doing this, and is barely scraping by, it says “you are not alone.”

    For the one who has built herself and her family a stable life, it is a reminder: “there are others where you were. Please, help just one.”

  • Karen
    Nov 19, 2006 at 7:06 pm

    I agree with Stealthbadger. I think Christina’s story was just to encourage others and let them know that they can survive abuse and move on.

  • red
    Nov 19, 2006 at 11:07 pm

    Badger,
    Try reading “You’ve got it tough” She to must have gone through something to since she is single with a child. Things are not easy but you didn’t find her telling bad things about the dad. Yes, she had to bite her tongue. She took the time to tell us all to play fair. If you can not do it for yourself then as she said do it for the children. Being a single parent is hard because all the responsibility falls on your shoulders to do what is right for the children. We have to put ourselves aside and make sure all is well for them first.

    I say good for her that is what being a parent is all about. Try working things out between one another. It will not be easy but it can be done other have done it. That doesn’t mean go back, even divorced couples work things out. Being civiilized is going to take work. But it is best for the children

  • christina
    Nov 20, 2006 at 10:25 am

    *waves to Karen*

    Red, I know you have some fierce, strong feelings about this issue. Let’s agree to disagree about the purpose and intent of this conversation with Rose about her experience. I will never ask a woman to put herself down on this site. If anyone who is invited to share his or her story at solomother ever feels the need to confess how horrible they are, fine. I won’t edit that for content. But neither will I ask someone to qualify their pain, hurt, disappointment. This is for one side of the story. I’m not inviting my husband to share his side here either. If Rose’s husband met me on the street, I’d treat him with all the politeness and courtesy I possess in my almost southern upbringing. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, so long as you’re not Rose, and you’re not married to him. I’m a very nice woman, so long as you’re not my ex. Divorce sucks like that.

    Believe me, Stealthbadger has read all the posts on this site.

  • cynthia
    Nov 20, 2006 at 6:52 pm

    I personally know rose since I am her sister in law. I am very upset by the one sidedness of the entire interview. I know that my brother is not always the best husband to her. But she is most willing to point out every one of his alleged faults and admits to none of her own. It is also very upsetting to see the pictures of my nieces and nephews on this site. If she wants to make this a forum for her views that is fine but why bring the children into this. And as per the quote:

    christina Says:
    November 13th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
    Karen, yes, they have been working out visitation and the like. I hope she can give her children the strength to reject anything negative that comes their way in this association (he doesn’t abuse the kids, as far as I know). Yes, Rose’s family tries still to get her to go back. The valiant lady has a tough road ahead of her, but I know she’s going to shine.

    I am very offended by the statement: “anything negative that comes their way in this association (he doesn’t abuse the kids, as far as I know.” I know that my brother doesn’t abuse the children!!!!! He is a very devoted father to those kids and he makes sure that he doesn’t talk about the difficulties between his wife and himself to the children. My brother makes every attempt to make the children’s time with him about the kids and their happiness. I just wish this were a little more of a well rounded interview. It would help if the couple were both known not just the “Rose colored glasses” that has presented. Please do not get me wrong my brother does have his faults trust me I do know that! He is very strong in his opinions and I don’t always agree with them. I would not EVER tell a battered woman to stay with an abusive husband!!!! And I agree in the concept of this website to give a forum for single moms in all types of situations. I just wish that everyone had the facts of this story.

  • christina
    Nov 21, 2006 at 11:05 am

    To Rose’s sister-in-law: I’m sorry you’re offended. My ‘as far as I know’ was shorthand for, ‘I’ve never been inside their house, I don’t know what goes on there, and I don’t claim to know’ — unlike so many of the recent visitors to this site who DO claim to know.

    And yes yes yes, there’s only one side to this story on this website. I’ve already explained why. Please read my last comment to Red posted above. Any more comments trying to trash either party (and I say that with this caveat: not one person has come here trying to trash the ex, just this amazing posse of family and ‘friends’ who claim to love both people involved and yet have to rip Rose to shreds) will not be posted. If anyone has something original to say, bring it on.

    There is always more than one side to the story - it is my perogative as the host of this site to decide what part of the story I literally have the time and space to focus on. I’m neither a marriage counselor nor a consultant in conflict resolution: I’m here to tell the story of what happens afterwards. Nor am I a historian, so the story will be one-sided… that’s the very nature of blogging. The incessant chanting of “not true, not true” is even more outrageous than if specific examples had been provided - which would also be unwelcome - again, this is not the place.

    I do thank you all for demonstrating very clearly a common problem faced by so many men and women who left an unhappy marriage: closure, forgiveness, peace and completion are very hard to find, and never neat or precise if you do.

  • Karen
    Nov 21, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    The picture is not a close up and it is not a full face shot. I would never be able to identify these children from the picture. I was not sure if these were actually her children or not or if it was just a picture pulled off the web just to add some color to the story, like you might see in a magazine article.

    This is from Christina’s mission statement for the blog:
    “I hope to share, not only my own story, but also the stories of other single mothers out there who have made their own way, owned their lives, taken care of their children, and made some peace with the loss of marriage.”

    This story meets with Christina’s mission. This story is for mothers and to show that no matter how bad it is, you can make it. It is meant to encourage other women. I’m sure no women would benefit from us bashing Rose. We all know that each person shares responsibility in a marriage. No one here is ignorant to that. So, we know that Rose did some things wrong. That is a given. Everyone has made bad choices in marriage. There is enough guilt and shame involved in divorce, especially in abuse cases. We don’t need to add anymore to that. We need to encourage the women who have been through these situations.

  • christina
    Nov 21, 2006 at 9:10 pm

    Amen, sistah. We can beat each other down or lift each other up. I’m one for getting as far up the good foot as I can.

    now then. Who’s making pumpkin pie?

  • Karen
    Nov 21, 2006 at 10:07 pm

    I found a new recipe for pumpkin pie that I want to try. It uses Jell-O pumpkin pie pudding, cream cheese, Cool Whip, and a graham cracker crust. I should probably post that one on my site. I also have a good sweet potato casserole recipe.

  • cynthia
    Nov 23, 2006 at 10:45 pm

    I did not, as was quoted “rip Rose to shreds”. I stated as my comment that I was upset by the one sidedness of the interview. I never said that Rose can’t leave her husband! She is a grown woman and can make the choices that she feels that she needs to for her happiness.

    I read and re-read this interview before I wrote because I DIDN’T want to attack Rose and if you read my original response the only thing I said about Rose is that “she has admitted to no faults of her own”. As to the “as far as I know” it really wasn’t clear as to, that You had just never been there. It came across more along the lines of as far as Rose knows.

    As to: I do thank you all for demonstrating very clearly a common problem faced by so many men and women who left an unhappy marriage: closure, forgiveness, peace and completion are very hard to find, and never neat or precise if you do.

    I do hope that Rose has closure. That she finds peace and completion. As per forgiveness that comes from GOD.

    As to the picture that Karen commented on: that is how i knew that it was my family. Even my husband that has only seen the children a small amount of time was able to identify them. you can see one of the children’s faces on the picture presented. The boy second from the left the furthest from the camera. As this has been stated that “if this were a magazine” it isn’t. And in many ways it is more accessible than most magazines are.

    If my original comment were read in its conclusion you would see that I applaud the purpose of this website. I have known entirely too many battered women that would have been helped by a site such as this if it had been available at that time. In fact I knew a wonderful girl that was in an abusive situation w/ a boyfriend. I was a friend of the abuser. When we (myself and his other friend) saw what he was doing we stood by her. She left him! He moved across the country. We all felt encouraged and she had really turned her life around with him gone. Well he came to town for a visit. Went to her house and murdered her in cold blood!!!!! HE is currently in jail for the rest of his life!!! So I do obviously and intimately understand why websites like these are beneficial.

  • christina
    Nov 24, 2006 at 6:40 pm

    You know, I’ve been told so many times by experienced bloggers I have to reply to every comment on the blog.

    but I think I’m just going to let the SIL get the last word. Someone’s got to.

  • Hsien Lei
    Nov 24, 2006 at 6:43 pm

    Last word. Period.

  • Wendy Boswell
    Dec 6, 2006 at 7:41 pm

    Hey yall -

    Rose has been one of my dearest friends for…oh man, almost ten years now! Holy Cow! I’ve seen her do what she’s had to do with grace and incredible strength. She’s a fighter in every sense of the word, and her children are unbelievably blessed to have her healthy, both physically and mentally now.

    Believe me, Rose and the kidlets were not before. That’s all that needs to be said.

    I love that Rose is getting her story out, and I hope that it helps other women in the same abusive situation.

    Because - no matter what family members or the cowardly “anonymus” stated above, THIS WAS ABUSE. For 15 freaking years, folks. And for the first time in a long time, I can chat with Rose on the phone (like I did just about ten minutes ago!) and know she’s “poor as a church mouse” but then again, I’m not worried about her passing out from a migraine again. I’m not worried that I’m going to find her crying her eyes out over some dumbass thing her husband did to her. I’m not worried that her kids are going to mirror this disgusting and shameful behavior anymore.

    Go Rose! Love ya, sis. You kick ASS! When shall we do our Ring the Bell song again, eh? :>)

  • Hsien Lei
    Dec 7, 2006 at 1:51 pm

    Wendy, who in the world DON’T you know? lol BTW, didn’t I say last word?

    Last word. :P

  • christina
    Dec 9, 2006 at 3:09 pm

    LOL Hsien. These folks don’t know when the Top Mom of the Family Channel says, “Quit it, now!” you quit. Cold turkey if you have to.

    Now, you have to comment again so you can have the last word. ;-)

  • Hsien Lei
    Dec 9, 2006 at 3:16 pm

    Nah. They can keep going at it if they want. Although I think it would spice things up a bit if Rose left a comment. :D

  • christina
    Dec 9, 2006 at 3:42 pm

    LOL ok, I’ll leave the comments open on this one. Red, I owe you an apology, if you’d like to repost the comment I removed from the site in the interest of, enough is enough already, then please do so. I think you’ve made it quite clear what you think of Rose, but if you feel you have to say it one more time, go ahead. I have the original text saved, so if you’d like me to repost it verbatum on your behalf, I’d do that too.

    The mother in me hates conflict. The bruised wife in me hates nasty divorces. I’ll just keep my personal feelings to meself.

    Rose and I have talked about her commenting here. I think she just wants people to leave her alone if they don’t like her. It’s hurtful to hear nasty things said about you from people who don’t want to hear your side of the story, won’t give you a chance. I don’t know that I’d comment either, if I were in her shoes.

  • Karen
    Dec 9, 2006 at 7:35 pm

    I’m sure it is very hurtful to read what some people are writing. We’re sure she did some things wrong, but I’m sure she’s been through abuse too. It’s not necessary to put her down. She’s been through enough. Leave her alone people.

  • Red
    Dec 10, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    Look I am not trying to put Rose down. Yes, I am sure not all was right at home but there are 2 sides and it bothers people who know both parties. He too has been abused by her. But no one wants to hear that either.

    But like I said in my last comment that was not posted, that no one ever knows everything.

    We allow you to see what we want you to see. So don’t fall for everything.

    I hate to hear that any person is abused. Both need to seek counciling. Both are good people but have been hurt by the other. No one is innocent here.

  • Red
    Dec 10, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    I agree that people should leave Rose alone but I also think they should leave her husband alone too. He too is a victim. But no one wants to hear that.

  • StealthBadger
    Dec 11, 2006 at 5:21 pm

    *gives up trying to keep his mouth shut*

    Apologies, Rose and Christina, I’m not trying to be an unwanted “Guy Who Thinks He’s Coming To Rescue.” I promise my point will become clear by the end.

    Regarding “You’ve got it tough…” This is about Rose, not anyone else. Holding up someone else’s conduct as a method of criticizing someone ignores the very different lives and needs of any two people. Yes, you can learn from what other people do - but being shamed into emulating someone else is a better idea for keeping children from setting the teacher’s desk on fire, not finding out what people have to say.

    Also been thinkin’ about one point you made, namely: “We have to put ourselves aside and make sure all is well for them first.”

    That’s a grandiose, sweeping statement that is impossible to live up to, full stop. If we can’t keep ourselves sane, if we can’t work through what’s happened to us and come to terms with it, we’re going to teach our kids that it’s not necessary to understand the past and connect with it. Since the statement is also an absolute that makes no attempt to connect with the details of the situation (since, remember, this is a blog post, not a transcript of “Rose talks to her children”), it’s also kinda hard to understand why it’s being made, and what it has to do with the price of beans in China.

    Most importantly: Yes, we know There Are Two Sides To Every Story. We get that party, really, but why does it seem that the primary way you’re using that statement is not as information, but as a justification for telling Christina/Rose to shut up? Pointedly, that’s what you’re doing - not offering any constructive criticism (which I’m guessing wouldn’t be wanted anyway, since this matter has been over and done with for some time), not offering anything new, only stepping in to wave a flag of righteous outrage. What’s up with that?

    Most of the time I’ve seen the fallacy of the middle ground applied to a bad breakup, it’s usually to do precisely what’s happening here: to try and make the person who’s talking at that moment shut up, or at least stop making waves. Now no-one’s said he can’t tell his story, or has said that he has no story, or has called for his execution or whatever, so saying that “no-one wants to hear that” regarding there being two sides is just silly. Yes, there are different opinions - but this isn’t the story of reconciling different opinions, it’s how to get on with your life with what you have.

    All Christina has said is that this is the story of a single mother who had a rough time, and y’all might gain a measure of hope from hearing it.

    This is not the blog of “SoloMother & SoloFather.” If it were, presenting both sides would be obligatory (and kind of interesting, in a horrifying, Jerry Springer-esque watching-an-accident-at-the-mall-on-Black-Friday kinda way).

    This is not SoloFather, either. If it were, and he told his story there, then Rose’s friends coming in to tell whoever-he-is to pipe down would be just as outrageous as what you’re doing here.

    Just what part of this do you not get?

    In the interests of getting this discussion off this thread, I would be perfectly happy to take it to e-mail.

  • StealthBadger
    Dec 11, 2006 at 5:32 pm

    And no. Telling both sides to “get counseling” does not count as “constructive criticism” as far as I’m concerned - it is as semantically and morally empty an address to the problems the entire family faces as “there are two sides to every story.”

  • Karen
    Jan 5, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    I wish you all would drop this issue. There are two sides to the story and we will NEVER know the whole truth.

  • marissa paton
    Mar 21, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Wow-this is almost exactly my story!Its a bit scary almost to hear someone put it all into words like that because ive tried my best never to think about any of it for almost two years since i left my ex husband now.I think Rose is an amazing woman-any woman who can go from an abusive relationship and take care of her children on her own,while trying to recover from the emotional damage of that relationship does so well.And to all those people who are so obviously on roses ex’s side-”SHUT UP”You try going through what she has-i guarantee you all you never have because if you had you would understand…

  • christina
    Mar 21, 2007 at 9:09 am

    Marissa, I’m glad you are working your way through a difficult time, anda re doing better for the changes you made to your life.

    I’d like everyone to try to put themselves in the other team’s shoes, though. Let’s not call each other names and tell each other to shut up. There’s a lot of pain on each side, and everyone has their own viewpoint. Rose was strong enough to stand up to this kind of hassling. The family needs to heal.

    Keep in touch and let us know how you’re doing. Tell your story!

  • Lucinda
    Feb 15, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I love her music. It is wonderful. I do not know her and I do not know her story but I do know that for a woman with 5 children to chose to be poor instead of staying with a husband who can support her, is a very difficult choice. In most cases, even with terrible abuse, women stay and stay and stay. That she left tells me a lot. I wish her all the best in her career. I am buying her CD and hope to license one of her songs for a movie I am making. She is a genius.

  • christina
    Feb 16, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Lucinda, her story is incredible. And her family is thriving now. I do hope you manage to use one of her songs!

    And she has created a new webpage, Rose Songs, and I’m breathlessly awaiting her second CD!

  • Broken
    Jul 11, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Single mother of 5 myself. I can understand all she deals with everyday, with no help and no support. Having other people judge and criticize doesn’t help at all.

  • another single mom of 5
    Jul 11, 2008 at 10:23 am

    I’m another single mom of 5 - very similar situations. My ex-sil actually had the gall to tell me that HER brother was “not the abusive type” despite his breaking my nose/knocking me out among other physical abuse which was nothing compared to the emotional abuse. people who know my ex - his friends - seriously think he’s the greatest guy ever….abusers can be like that - very different face to their family and friends than their behaviour. Single parenting 5 young children is very, very hard and exhausting. It was a last resort position for me - tried so hard for so long to save the marriage, get counselling and to actually finally draw the line of hitting me one more time and it’s over.

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